Are Europeans as easily fooled as Amurkns?
"EU allies seek talks with US on spy limits; Trade summit disrupted by new revelations" by James Kanter and Alan Cowell | New York Times, October 26, 2013
BRUSSELS — The leaders of Germany and France on Friday offered to hold talks with the United States to come up with mutually acceptable rules for surveillance operations, easing a trans-Atlantic spying dispute that has plunged relations between Europe and the United States to a low point.
A day earlier, fury over reports that US intelligence agents had monitored the cellphone of Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany spread to other European leaders, and prompted calls to suspend trade talks with Washington.
But in a remarkable attack on both Edward J. Snowden, the former US intelligence contractor, and news organizations that have printed classified material he has provided, Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain accused them of “helping our enemies” and endangering lives.
How do revelations of spying on allied leaders help enemies and endanger lives?
Snowden and the newspapers are “signaling to people who mean to do us harm how to evade and avoid intelligence and surveillance and other techniques,” Cameron said at a news media conference Friday in Brussels.
While Cameron said he supported Merkel and President François Hollande of France in seeking talks with Washington on new rules governing electronic surveillance, he delivered his strongest denunciation of those involved in publishing leaked material.
“That is not going to make our world safer, it’s going to make our world more dangerous,” he said, speaking after a summit of European leaders that was eclipsed by concern about the extent of electronic eavesdropping by Washington.
Ever try and get crap back into the tube? How is knowing about spying on world leaders going to make the world more dangerous?
Those worries could intensify with the publication in The Guardian newspaper on Friday of a report that as long ago as October 2006, the National Security Agency — Snowden’s former employer — had monitored the telephone conversations of 35 world leaders. The assertion emerged in what the British newspaper described as a classified document that Snowden had leaked.
You know, they were okay when it was just spying on all us peons.
The article did not identify the leaders but said their phone numbers had been provided by other US officials in response to a request from the NSA to share their contacts.
So the spy agency could add foreign leaders’ phone numbers to its surveillance systems. Who knows how many of them are "terrorists."
Merkel said during an early morning news conference in Brussels that a pact ending the kind of surveillance made public by Snowden should be reached by January.
The aim is to “come to a common understanding of the services between the United States and Germany and France so that we put down a framework for cooperation,” Merkel said after 28 European Union leaders ended the first of two days of trade talks.
The revelations about the eavesdropping on Merkel follow reports of extensive US electronic surveillance in France, and suggestions that US and British intelligence services monitored and are probably still monitoring Italian telecommunications networks.
I'm sure that is information the Italians would like to know.
Related: France calls report of US spying ‘unacceptable’
As they spy on their own citizens.
But in a further sign of a willingness to defuse the dispute, Merkel said the leaders meeting in Brussels had not talked about interrupting negotiations with the United States on a landmark trade deal aimed at reducing tariffs and aligning regulations.
Then there really is no point of reading or analyzing these articles, is there?
It's all s***-show fooleys for public consumption, right?
Asked whether she wanted an apology, Merkel said, “The most important thing at this juncture is to find a basis” so that “trust can be rebuilt.”
I'm sorry, but once trust is destroyed it's gone. You can see that from reading the commentaries regarding my relationship with AmeriKa's jewsmedia.
Related: White House denies US monitored Merkel’s calls
How can trust be rebuilt when they keep lying to you even after Obama's reassurances?
She also suggested that the door had been left open to a possible suspension of an agreement with the United States that allows it to track the finances of terrorist groups.
That will be closed soon.
Related: US watch on banks challenged
Makes for a SWIFT read.
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Here is someone you can trust:
"US should accept limits on spying on allies" October 26, 2013
The Obama administration must do all it can to rebuild trust with key allies who are outraged over allegations that the National Security Agency has spied on at least 35 world leaders and engaged in large-scale collection of electronic communications in Europe.
Didn't he already try that?
Revelations by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden that the agency secretly collects Internet and phone records in the United States created a domestic uproar.
They collect everything, folks.
But a further fallout has come from his more recent claims about the NSA spying on allies abroad. It is understandable that European leaders are demanding to know what limits American intelligence agencies are working under. And providing them with a trustworthy answer could help avoid damage to carefully cultivated agreements to share information on possible terrorist suspects.
Look at the Globe talking like the situation and reputation can be saved as if this is all about terrorists.
The most damning part of the new wave of allegations lies in how these data are reportedly being used. A recent article in the French newspaper Le Monde cites documents from September 2010 that suggest that the NSA listened in on French diplomats working in the United States. The article cited internal communications from National Security Adviser Susan Rice, who was US ambassador to the United Nations at the time, stating that the intercepted conversations gave the United States insight into France’s position on Iran’s nuclear program — giving Americans a leg up in negotiations.
But, but, but, I have been told we are NOT doing it for that reason -- or so says Kohn Kerry!
If it is true that the United States is monitoring the private communications of our closest allies not to protect the immediate safety of Americans but to gain the upper hand in economic or political talks, then US requests for such authority on counterterrorism grounds become more likely to meet with resistance.
No IF about it, you piece of **it! That IS WHY they are doing it!
The international outrage, which comes in the wake of tension over a possible US default on its debts, has dealt a blow to America’s image.
Which was, let's face it, not in very good shape before then.
Brazil’s president canceled a visit to the United States amid reports of widespread eavesdropping on communications of Brazilian citizens, including the president herself.
Related: Brazil’s leader postpones visit to US
Also see: NSA Turns Spying Eye South
It sees in every direction.
Germany intends to send a delegation to Washington in the wake of allegations that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s phone was being monitored. French President Francois Hollande has demanded official talks with the United States on the matter by the end of the year, a timetable that coincides with the Obama administration’s own review of NSA activities. The United Nations may even pass a resolution to curtail US surveillance, a far cry from the blanket cooperation that nations gave in the aftermath of Sept. 11.
Like the U.S. is going to abide by the decisions of the U.N.!
The United States can’t risk being on the wrong side of the entire world.
That is an amazing statement. Little truth slipped out there, didn't it?
It is time for the United States and its allies to agree upon new rules of the road which all governments must be expected to follow. Spying, even on friends, is nothing new.
Related:
The Israeli Spy Ring
Israeli Spying: The Mother of all Scandals
High-Fivers and Art Student Spies
Is it possible that these stories are making my jewsmedia because Obama is cracking down and ferreting out those traitors?
Related: Turkey blows Israel’s cover for Iranian spy ring
Didn't see that in my jewspaper, either.
But the technology that the United States has developed to do that is more powerful than ever. It is in America’s own interest to ensure that it is not abused.
See: Globe Not on Guardian
They never reported the leaked assassination program, either.
